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There have been many posts about trademarks, patents, and copyright lately, so I think it would be helpful to share with you the basic concepts I teach to my media classes.
Please know I am not a lawyer, and this post should not be considered legal advice. There are many exceptions and gray areas which I have omitted for brevity. Also this post covers U.S. laws, and while the basic principles are similar elsewhere, there are differences I am not covering here.
Edit: Thank you everyone for posting your insight and additions below. Here are a few online resources that have the information I cited:
Stanford Copyright and Fair Use Center
U.S. Trademark laws and regulations
Trademark legal information
U.S. Patent guidance
Cryptocurrency Defense Foundation
What can be copyrighted?
Creative, artistic, and intellectual works can be copyrighted, and they must be "fixed," meaning you can't copyright an idea. Examples are music, photography, and literature. Anyone who authors a work immediately owns the copyright; registration is optional. Derivative works using licensed material also receive copyright protection for the part that is original.
How long does a copyright last?
Copyright grants the creator of a work the right to exclusive use and distribution (copying) for a limited time - the life of the author + 70 years in the US and many countries, shorter in others. A copyright owner in many cases can dedicate the work to the public domain. Then anyone can then use the work, even for commercial reasons.
What are the exceptions?
Fair use allows some copying, based on four factors including the nature of the copyrighted work, the purpose of the use, amount and significance of the portion used, and effect on the market. Fair use exceptions include some educational uses, parodies, thumbnails on websites, and news commentaries.
What does this mean for Dogecoin?
What can be trademarked?
A sign, design, or name that specifies a product or service can be registered as a trademark. They protect consumers and businesses by preventing other from using similar marks that could create confusion in the marketplace. There are 45 classifications of goods and services; a mark can be used by only one business in each category. Surprisingly, a public domain work can be used as a trademark. However, that trademark does not grant copyright, so others would still be free to use the pubic domain work for other purposes and for businesses in other categories.
How long does a trademark last?
A trademark lasts as long as it is renewed, and protected. The act of using the trademark, more than the registration, is the source of the rights. If others start using the mark, and is not challenged by the trademark owner, then trademark protection is lost.
What are the exceptions?
Trademark is based on "first use" so if another business has used the mark, they can challenge someone who tries to trademark it. Trademarks can also not be based on generic terms. The word apple could be trademarked for a computer business, but not for a fruit business.
What does this mean for Dogecoin?
What can be patented?
Inventions which are new and non obvious can be patented. Patents in the U.S. are now mostly granted based on first inventor to file, instead of first to use, bringing the law closer to other countries. There are several types of patents including utility patents and design patents. Typically, overly broad inventions or ones that are not novel can receive patents, and are left for the courts to sort out later.
How long does a patent last?
Usually 20 years.
What are the exceptions?
Prior art. A defensive publication, where an invention is described in a dated publication but not patented, can prevent a company from receiving a patent on the same invention. A Linux organization examines every new patent application and identifies the ones that could threaten their open source project. They have filed about 200 defensive publications, a process which has become easier due to the America Invents Act.
What does this mean for Dogecoin?
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[Table] IAmA: Hello reddit! We are We are building the first anonymous video sharer. Separate from imgur, we will serve a different purpose. AUA

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Did you add a "G" to the "vid" for name recognition? "img" is a pretty common abbreviation of 'image'. Vidgur doesn't make much sense. I respect your opinion. Personally, I just thought it sounded cooler. :)
I video sharing website? How is this different from YouTube? Well, for one, youtube does not allow certain kinds of content. Secondly, we will not have any limit on what can be uploaded. Thirdly, no registration process or email validation. We don't want users to go through a process, it would be a simple click, upload, and embed.
Ohh this is cool. Much simpler! Yes! That is the plan, to make it as simple as possible. No barriers, no headaches. Just upload a video instantly. No verification required, no jumping through hoops. :)
Congratulations on making your own website and setting goals on yourself. Save yourselves the trouble and categorize a preemptive cat-page. Anywho, I've nothing smart to ask, so... on a daily basis, how often do you guys work/meet up? Present, it is really just myself and two other friends. We are actually hosted on a free service, but Alan suggested for me to look into hosting with hostmonster along with a Cloudfare CDN. So far our only expense has been the domain name and we are looking for ways to raise capital, perhaps through donations. :)
If you want you can set it up on my VPS for testing. Its very fast and has a lot of space. I would totally host it for free until it starts to use a lot of system resources :) I would love that. The site is already down! :(
Might I suggest "" They are a UK company and the package I have with them currently is Unlimited Bandwidth, Unlimited storage space and a shit ton of other features. Highly recommended. Hell, if you want a taster I would be happy to pass over an FTP UsePass for it. That would be greatly appreciated! PM me.
Um, not to shit on your parade but if you see any amount of usage you will be spending thousands on hosting costs. You will not under any circumstance manage to operate a video sharing website on free or shared hosting. Average image on imgur: ~60kb? Average video people upload? 10mb? Also first anonymous video sharer? there are literally hundreds. Well this will hopefully not be a problem if people decide to help. If we make it good and useful enough, then people will want to continue using it and donate to the cause(we hope!). :)
Just PM me the domain that you plan on using and I'll set it up when I get home from work. Well, it is Let me know what you can do by PM. That would be great!
Be very careful to check the fair usage policy. Especially with 1and1, unlimited actually means around 32GB. I've done video hosting and large site hosting myself, feel free to drop me a message if you think I can help. Thank you for notifying me of this.
Honestly, you'll find that you'll want to pivot to a fremium model as soon as the first 100 4chaners upload their entire terabyte collection of porn to your server. I did not think of that, but hopefully I find a hosting company ok with this. It would be beneficial to them in the long run.
On a more personal note, I would love if we could work together to support vidgur on RES for the reddit community as one user pointed out. It's not out of the question... what sort of video format(s) are you planning on serving up, etc? As many as we can. We are using an open source video player to run the videos, we really value using open source software.
Won't people use your site to upload copyrighted films? This is a concern but at least we will respect the privacy of the user, even if it results in a takedown. The good thing is that a user could upload videos through tor and we do not request an email address or anything of the sort.
This must be a joke. Starting on a free shared hosting?! Why not? Imgur started on a 5 dollar a month hosting plan..
I suggest starting a kickstarter. I would appreciate the help, I have never used kickstarter but when I spoke with Alan, it seemed like a good idea to have people donate to help it get started.
How will you ban them tho? Its fairly simple to rotate through VPNs or proxies and upload from different IP's every time. So banning an IP doesn't really help, and it could end up banning entire groups of people (college campuses, businesses, anyone who shares an IP amongst many people) This is something we are still currently working on. We recognize certain people upload from campuses, etc.
How do you plan to deal with warrants/copyright violations? Will you just be removing the content since there will be no tractability back to the uploaded? How many billions of terabytes do you have available for users at launch? 1.We will take down content by request, or if we are alerted. Certain things like child pornography or bomb making will have an automatic take down enforced. 2.We will just be removing content. We suggest users to use Tor or the like ;) 3.None. We are on a free hosting plan as we speak! We have no capital yet, but would like to do a donation link as suggested in order to raise enough to sustain the site for at least 2-3 months.
So your video site is better than YouTube because YouTube doesn't allow everything, but you ban and delete videos if people ask you to? No, we will allow more than youtube but take down illegal content such as child pornography, etc.
So what kinds of content do you allow that YouTube doesn't? For one, nsfw content. :)
So you're basically starting up a porn tube? Honest question, what's the difference? No. NSFW videos will not show up on the main site. Much like on imgur, you can share it with your friends or on reddit, but it will not show up on the main page. The website is meant to be able to host any kind of video, save from certain disallowed content.
What are your plans for revenue? Will you take a YouTube approach with ads everywhere or will you be more subtle with small banners and donations? This for us is more of a necessity for the reddit community, it is not built with the intentions to make money. We want to be as non-obstrucive to the user as possible, which means little to no ads. We are hopefully going to be able to provide a good user experience, and perhaps offset hosting costs with a subscription model in the future.
P.S. I hate waiting 30 seconds to watch a video. I prefer if it was just a regular ad honestly so people could use adblock if they want (like me).
That's good no one likes those ads Also thanks for the response. P.s some one it down-voting all of your comments. Thank you and didn't notice that, I appreciate it. :)
How anonymous is your claim to be "anonymous" ? We don't store any information on the user. No tracking, which is rare as most sites do it now. Although in the future, if we run do decide to include a banner ad, this would probably show up as google for example uses tracking to decide what information to project, but it will be easily taken care of with adblocker.
The videos is the only thing that is stored, no other information. You can upload a NSFW video, share it, and no one would know it is from you. It will come in handy for the gone wild community.
Also, we will not require users to sign up with email, etc. That is what will make us different is no validation, no sign up required. Not even an email, much like reddit. Although you CAN pick a username and password if you want.
Sweet, can't wait. Thank you!! :) I am excited for it also, but patience is key. Launching it before being ready would not do us any good.
For premium hosting, will you accept bitcoin as payment?? Yes, I certainly will!
What are the filesize & length limits going to be? I want for there to be no limits on either in the future. Google has warehouses dedicated to running youtube. I am on a free hosting plan for now. We will start small, scale it up over time hopefully and take it from there.
How do you plan to do this and remain a free service? Donations and a subscription model, but mostly I am hoping we can cover the initial months just on donations. Subscription would have to have an extra incentive, like no ads. But we won't have ads in the beginning or at all if I can avoid it. I HATE ads. I am the first to tell someone to install an adblocker on my site if it ever necessitates running a banner ad to offset hosting costs.
This sounds like a horrible idea to have no limits, I mean what happens when someone uploads a few terabytes of video and you can't pay for it? True. We will have a cap eventually. Still would be more than enough for the average user.
Free hosting plan? You said in another comment your monthly hosting is $7. Which one is it I just paid for it now. We were on a free hosting plan. Didn't expect it to go down this quickly.
Will this be chock full of virus laden advertisement links? Not at all. I would love to run it just off of donations if possible. Much of the costs will be paid for with my own money. Donations will only make it possible to scale it up and keep it running.
Thank you. this is best case scenario. Yes, I think we will be ok in the beginning. Maybe down the road it will become harder, as I know, I will likely have more associated costs than imgur ever had. It's just the nature of the content.
Once it gets popular, i can bet the farm that you will be approached by financial 'backers' I don't want it to get popular honestly. I would rather the reddit community be the only one to be benefitting from it, as that is who it is tailored for. Also would allow for more control and less headaches if reddit users are the only ones using it.
Whats your day job? I try to dabble in web design and do some tutoring on the side. Nothing that makes a ton of money, but that's ok, I enjoy it.
See what reddit can do to your stuff? Lol, I honestly didn't anticipate this to happen that quickly.
We hugged too hard. Lol. yup.
Haha, well played :) )
Will I be able to drag and drop videos to upload them like I can with imgur? We hope to. For now, Alan suggested I start with the basics, start small and work from there. He definitely knows more about web site building and success than I do. He sees things that I didn't project, and so we are more concerned with making the site work, after I would like to build a drag and drop.
One thing I wonder is, what's the market for this? Do people really upload and create a lot of videos?   And how much experience do you have when it comes to managing sites, servers and specially online communities themselves? I think youtube is the second largest website in the world, so there must be a market for it. I have been managing online communities (forums) since PHPBB, IPB, and VB was all the rage, since 2001 or so, about 12 years give or take. But this will not be a message board, although I plan to include one. I love IPB. :)
What will draw users to Vidgur instead of using, say, YouTube? I know you mentioned NSFW videos, but there are places like LiveLeak and PornHub for that. Well, ease of registration I suppose. We want to have a drag and drop, and for it to be really simple in design.
Man.. you cannot use a free (or even shared) hosting plan for this. You need a dedicated machine (better yet, a cluster of dedicated machines) to handle the storage needs, bandwidth, video processing, etc. What are you thinking? I didnt expect people to actually start visiting it so quickly since its not ready. We just wanted to answer questions in return.
Check the source code and you will find a mention of reddit in there. ;) Not seeing it. You sure the change got posted to production? We added it to a tag, if you check the CSS. ;) It says: "Welcome Reddit!!"
How do you plan to deal with the big copyright holders a.k.a. movie industry? Respecting their opinion, but also the privacy of the user. The aim is to make everyone happy.
Is it pronounced like V'ger? Nope, its supposed to roll off the tongue, literally, one word :" vidgur" It sounds very catchy when you say it all together, which is why I picked it. :)
I smell a successor to sexykarma Does one get karma points in exchange for :)
Still not enough... It's already down.. :(
Site down. Working on it. I already had to upgrade for the mean time just now.
Get ready for tons and tons of gore and ridiculous amounts of porn. I hope not. Reddit doesn't really show it, because this kind of content never makes the front page. Neither will it for us.
your website is disabled :( Working on it :(
Your name blows. Sorry about that. It's ok, I know not everyone will agree. :) That's also what they said about imgur in the beginning. Hopefully opinions change once users see the usefulness in the site, and not focus so much on the name. I don't use a service based on the name, but rather the service it provides.
Make an app similar to snapchat and you're golden. Ha, well we have a plan to do this down the road, but I don't know how to build apps so perhaps when we have enough capital in the future.
When I saw the name I thought it sounds quite like Icelandic name (e.g. Ólafur, Torlakur) and I remebered that there was one god in Norse mythology whose name sounds quite similar. Vidar is the name. That is interesting, it would be cool to have a logo made of that. We are currently working on a logo, something that will be different, like a old tube tv. :)
Welp, guess it's been hugged to death already. That's ok, it was just a launch page anyways so you weren't missing anything.
I receive an error saying your webhost has disabled your site because it took too much CPU usage. Yes the site is down. I was on a free hosting plan. :)
I see a problem. You see Imgur works because before it there was no perfect image sharing site. Whereas your competitors are in their hundreds, namely YouTube. I wish you all the best and hope you do succeed, because everyone stands to benefit from more choice. Thank you so much, I really appreciate this.
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